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A Vision for the Future

It is time that all governments (democratic, communist, Islamic etc) took steps toward a separation of ideology and state (i.e. belief and state). But before talking about what that means and what it will ultimately look like, I will show how all governments violate the separation of religion and state by promoting "their morals" and how that interferes with freedom.

Is a true separation of religion and state possible? Richard Eason writes:

1. All nations must have laws.

2. All laws try to prevent something "wrong" or promote something "right" - so all law is enacted morality.

3. All morality depends on beliefs that are scientifically non-testable and thus religious.

Governments cannot avoid basing laws on religious beliefs. The burning question is whose beliefs should form the basis of our law?

(See Legislating Morality by Geisler and Turek for more on this important subject)

Eason's observation is fair, whether we like it or not, all laws reflect somebodies moral views, which are in opposition to other moral views (E.g. relativists condemn absolute views. "All denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind" - Chesterton).  Laws always  reflect a moral outlook; that cannot be changed, but there are changes which must be made if we are to be protected from our own governments.

Everyone is concerned about who might obtain power and what views will be promoted or encouraged once they have it. Humanists (and others) are concerned about religious fanatics and the religious are concerned about those who label all religion as evil. Is it possible to be rid of this problem? I think the problem only exists because the government has taken on roles it should never have taken on in the first place.

Every government is trying to create what it regards as "good citizens." (It does this through education and the media, as well as attempting to win support for its values through government welfare.) Good citizens are a good thing but it always becomes a problem when the government tries to create them through the promotion of values. Is it the governments role to "educate" the people as to what is good?

Jean Jacques Rousseau, the enlightenment thinker, said that the people will what is good but they don't always see what the good is. Rousseau claimed that they (the people) "must be shown the good road [they] are in in search of...." The public "must be taught to know what it wills" (The Social Contract Book 2, ch 6).

Can you see the problem with this kind of thinking?

'"What counts is what people want"/ "People don't know what they want"/ "Experts know what people want"/ "People want what they are told"' (John Lukacs, cited in Os Guinness' book, Prophetic Untimeliness, 2003, p. 74).

"If experts know what people want" what happens when the experts strongly disagree as is so often the case? Governments inevitably support those they want to be heard. This is a series problem. The Nazis chose who they wanted to be heard.

"George Will averred that there is nothing so vulgar left in our experience for which we cannot transport some professor from somewhere to justify it" (Ravi Zacharias, 1994, Can Man Live Without God, p. xiii).

Even when a majority of so called experts hold the same view and that view is promoted, it is not uncommon that they are proved wrong at a later date (e.g. Social Darwinism). It should not be the role of the government to "educate" the people.

It should be noted that Rousseau's view that morals which encourage the greatest good need to be taught is valid, but it is not valid that the government should determine which views will and won't be promoted.

Unfortunately, governments can and do manipulate the interests of the people. (My philosophy professor claims it is necessary for the greater good. They call it "interest manipulation." ) Just as worrying are private groups who can and do obtain government money to promote their beliefs and values. (Often these groups have wacky and some times dangerous views.) Many groups are competing for government funds to have their views promoted. This creates unnecessary division and tension. How do you feel about the government promoting a belief you disagree with in your child's school?

The views which are promoted in society, whether good or bad, will influence the way people think and will inturn determine what kinds of laws we have. (A divergence. Some of the laws we have today came about because Michel Foucault's views about "tactics" have been championed at some universities. When followed, do Michel Foucault's views of addressing social injustice create a better society than Jesus' views of addressing injustice? We must not forget that many injustices were addressed before there was such a thing as deconstructionism. If in the pursuit of "justice" we mock normal behaviour, then many things which are regarded as deviant will be become the norm. Do we really want that? Do we really want behaviour like this to be on the increase? Foucault's tactics are not the way forward. Caring and civility is.)

Good government is not a guarantee. Even good governments can take a turn for the worst and then government funding for education and the media can have some very nasty consequences. Many Germans thought they had a good government in the early thirties. How do you know that your government will remain good or what government might follow?

Consider this:

Where would Hitler's Germany have been without government funded media or education? What about Stalin or North Korea today?

Many would argue that our governments promotion of values is good. Alcohol and drug problems are increasing. Crime is on the rise. Gambling is causing more and more family problems. Divorce is on the increase.  Isn't it strange that the more a government promotes their values the more societies problems seem to grow?


It is important to grasp that the problems we are facing are not just problems within the system; they are a RESULT of the system. Government involvement in education and the media will always lead to the eventual destruction of the government who embraces that involvement no matter what world view they promote. That is because the governments values are themselves problematic or people (for whatever reason) resist those values and therefore seek to replace them with their own values (this is what happened to Christendom).

The problem we must address is this: How are the people to identify what morals are best for society without a morality being promoted by the government through media and education?

The answer?

It is time we had a separation of ideology and State. (Note: What I'm proposing is not a perfect system. No system is perfect. I am merely proposing a better system, particularly for the long run.)

What I am proposing will help ordinary people to identify what morality is best for society (and them as individuals) without it being imposed on them by their governments through the influence of intellectual elites (See). People will be able to identify which world view does the most good for individuals and society as a whole simply because it will be easy for them to identify who has their best interests at heart.


It would be wise to keep in mind the alternative to the proposed separation (for western governments at least), which is very grim if present trends continue. The alternative is this: no changes are made which means that the percentage of people with serious problems with alcohol, gambling, drugs, crime etc will continue to rise. (These have been increasing for the last 50 years.) Along with these problems come increases in family violence and divorce.  Future governments will be forced to increase taxes to pay for the extra public servants in the form of police, social workers etc. (You cannot keep increasing the numbers of police, social workers and public servants forever.) With an increase in crime there will also be increased corruption. The public service will not be immune to this. (Technology can only carry us so far. In the hands of the corrupt technology is a dangerous thing.) No matter how strong a governments economy is, it will eventually collapse unless the heart of the problem, which is a moral problem, is addressed.  Obviously, the governments promotion of 'values' is not working as many had hoped. We all want to live in a society where people are more honest, trustworthy and kind. What system will actually encourage these virtues which we all value?

"The century-old question -- Does any given 'scheme of help...make demands on men to give themselves to their brethren?' -- is still the right one to ask.
   "Each of us needs to ask that question not in the abstract, but personally. We need to ask ourselves: Are we offering not coerced silver, but our lives? If we talk of crisis pregnancies, are we actually willing to provide a home to a pregnant young woman? If we talk of abandoned children, are we actually willing to adopt a child? Most of our twentieth-century schemes, based on having someone else take action, are proven failures. It's time to learn from the warm hearts and hard heads of earlier times, and to bring that understanding into our own lives" (Marvin Olasky, The Tragedy of American Compassion, Washington D.C. , Regency Gateway, 1992, pp. 232-233).

So the issue is not just how do we help people but how are we to create citizens who are more helpful? Marvin Olasky suggests that we can learn from the people of the past. Unfortunately, we are often too quick to dismiss some of the old ways of doing things simply because we measure different periods in terms of results. But how would the people of the past, before government welfare, have fared if they had our technology and knowledge? (Would the volunteers have been able to do much more on a much larger scale?) How would we fair under our present system of government welfare, eduction etc if we had their technology and knowledge? (Would it be possible to be able to support government welfare, hospitals, education and media without industrialisation?) Only when we take those things into account can we make a fair comparison. And only then we will be in a good position to learn from the past and address our present crisis.


Please do not abandon the idea simply because you see some problems with it. I don't think that the problems are so great that they can not be overcome with a little bit of thought.


Note:
You may say that the level of government involvement in the areas I suggest below reflect my values. But keep in mind that I am not asking the government to support the teaching of Christianity in schools or the promotion of Christian values through the media anymore than I am asking the government to promote Hindu, Muslim or Humanist values. What I am proposing is that the government adopt a position which is as value neutral as possible.
 


Under the structure I propose any group who opposes your views of religion (no matter what those happen to be) will not be able to have their values or beliefs supported or promoted by the government. All parties should consider these suggestions. To see my reasons for writing this see the DVD Clergy in the Classroom and this.

How are we to overcome our present and growing moral crisis? Here are my suggestions to encourage morality while limiting the governments promotion of values through making changes to welfare, media, health care and education.


A Step in the Right Direction: A True Separation of Ideology and State


In a true separation of ideology and state it would not be the role of religious organizations to create and enforce laws; and the government's role regarding education, media, health care and welfare would be extremely limited. This is necessary for two reasons, the first of these have already been mentioned: 1. To help the people identify what view of the world does the most good for society without government interference and 2. It is necessary because Moral neutrality is a myth; the government cannot be morally neutral while it funds education or the media. (Using tax payers money to promote views that many people disagree with is itself immoral and causes unnecessary division.)



Media

The government will have a role in the media, though it will be limited, particularly regarding television.

1. The government shall provide no funding for private television networks or productions, as funding must always be approved and so someone's values are promoted.

2. The government should enact legislation which will help to reduce the amount of sex and violence on television. (But by enacting such legislation isn't the government pushing their values on others? How then are we to get around the problem? Read on.) The nature of commercial television is to become more sexually explicit and violent. This is inevitable because the more viewers a television program has the more money the station can charge for advertisements. What gets viewers? Sex and violence.  Standards slowly drop; yesterday's late night movie is today's midday movie (note how the standards have changed over the years.) This is why all commercial television should be abolished. (Note: People will still be free to watch what they want. If they want porn they will pay for a porn channel. If they want the Brady Bunch they can pay for the Brady Bunch channel.) Commercial television is one of the main driving forces which is lowering our moral standards. As strange as it may seem, immorality, which commercial television gravitates toward, helps fuel things like Islamic fundamentalism (it strengthens the view of many Muslims that Islamic law is good and democracy is bad because of the things it allows and publicly promotes); television ads also increase the price of products. All TV should be true pay TV (without ads) where you only pay for the stations you want. If people want to advertise, they can do it via radio, newspapers, magazines etc.  (Note: What I have suggested above does not mean that the cost of television would be out of peoples reach. Some stations would choose to provide subscription at very competitive prices (e.g. $1 per year) but no station would be permitted to broadcast free to air so that people will not have entertainment in their living room that they do not want.

3. The government must not own any television broadcasting corporation. It should have no more than two news programs per day which are to be no longer than one hour each. The government news program would be provided for free and shown on one (or more) of the privately owned channels so that they would be available to those who do not prescribe to pay TV. The news programs should state what the government or those who represent the government have done or intend to do and what laws it has passed. (Bills to be debated should be publicly announced a week in advance and every day up until the day of the debate.) Political debates and parliamentary discussion will also be broadcast on private channels for free at the expense of the government.


4. Government advertisements shall be limited to safety ads (e.g. seat belts, smoke alarms, asthma attacks etc) and public announcements such as cyclone warnings. These will be provided for free to all viewers on the private networks. With the help of the public the government will also decide on how television shows and movies shall be rated (e.g. PG), but beyond this the governments role should be extremely limited.

5. Governments shall ensure that Internet Service Providers provide clean feeds as has been done in the UK and some Scandinavian countries. (This is necessary to protect children from unwanted porn. Note: Adults will still be able to access porn if they really want it, but it would be an opt in system rather than an opt out.)

By limiting the role of government involvement in media (particularly television) government propaganda will be extremely limited.  No government funding for media will also mean no funding for shows like Big Brother. There would no longer be government broadcasters like the SBS and the ABC continually attacking Humanism (I'm joking, they wouldn't dare attack that sacred cow with our money).


Health Care

 
The Government can and should support health care (though all hospitals will be private). This could be done through the following.


1. Government will provide pharmaceutical schemes so hospitals and patients have access to cheap medications.

2. The government will assist in the purchase of medical equipment. A percentage (e.g. 80%) of the purchase of all medical equipment for hospitals and patients could be assisted through government rebates.

3. The government will help organisations control communicable diseases.

4. The government would provide paramedics and ambulances as well as other emergency response services in the interest of public safety. (They should be able to provide these more than adequately since more government revenue will be available to them.)

5. Governments will enact legislation to ensure that no one was rejected treatment by any facility in the event of an emergency (no matter what their race or religion).


Does this seem like too much? At the moment the public health system would collapse without private hospitals. What I'm suggesting here would merely make the health care system more efficient while helping people to identify who cares the most. (Obviously those who care the most about others are going to build hospitals and provide the best service at a minimum cost.)


Welfare

Note: We all have seen people receive welfare when we think they should not be entitled to it. Welfare, and who gets it, is always a reflection of someone's values. It is not the governments role to promote anyone's values (other than through punishments and rewards as reflected in the laws it makes). Therefore, the government's role regarding welfare will be of a limited nature.


To clarify the following points I'd like to mention two different neighbours I had at different times. One was an alcoholic who would receive her payment from the government every fortnight; most of this was spent on alcohol. The other neighbour played computer games all day and smoked dope. He also received his payment every fortnight. He had a little boy. Do you think the government payments helped him to be a better father? The more money the government gives out the more social problems there seem to be. (see The Crisis of Giving by Os Guinness and Dangerous Samaritans by Dr Michael Bauman from the Summit Lecture series). What then should be the governments role when helping the poor?


1. The government will provide incentives to encourage people to donate to charitable organisations (such as reductions on taxable income).

2. Governments will provide a pension for the disabled and the elderly of equal amount despite the person's sex, race or religion.

3. In order to reduce the number of people who are in need of support from individuals and charities, governments must encourage employers to employ more people. This can be done by legislating that fewer hours will be worked before overtime is paid (e.g. 35 hours). All Governments can and should protect workers by ensuring that all workers are covered by adequate workplace health and safety legislation. (Historically, where those things have not been in place, workers, particular unskilled workers, have been abused. See note for increasing employment and protecting unskilled workers.)

Note: One of the advantages of this approach is that with reduced taxation there will be more jobs available, this in turn will reduce the burden on charities.

4. Government payments to the unemployed will be slowly fazed out but the government will provide assistance to non-government organisations (NGOs) who help the poor (ideally this assistance should be provided in the form of food). This assistance will be reduced over time until there is no longer any government assistance for these organisations. This will help ordinary people to identify who actually cares the most. e.g. Do Muslims, Atheists or Christians care the most? Whoever cares the most will, in time, have the biggest impact on society. Isn't this the way we want it to be? We want those who care the most to have the greatest influence in our communities. If Atheists care the most atheism will become the dominate view in society not because the government promoted their views but because atheists were able to win over the poor. By removing government funding a level playing field is created for all world views. Naturally the transition would have to be done slowly and only those organizations which have a history of helping the poor would be assisted. 

It should be noted that it is not the government's role to promote their own values in other countries or support those government's values (e.g. as is happening in Indonesia and the Philippines).  If individuals or NGOs wish to send money to people in those countries that's their business. It is not the government's role to send your money to help prop up a regime or government which holds values you may strongly disagree with. Let individuals and organisations who care send money so that their values will be promoted. Governments should not be in the value promoting business. (Governments can however do much to ensure that there is fair trade with other countries see Stuffed and Starved by Raj Patel. If the government must give aid to other countries it should agree to match donations e.g. If an individual donates $1 to World Vision then the government should also give $1 to World Vision. But I think it would be better if the government was not involved at all. )





Education

What would happen to the propaganda machine in a country such as North Korea if education was no longer funded by their government? Those in power could only remain in power if there was freedom of speech, freedom of religion and workers were protected. While a government funds education and the media there cannot be a true separation of ideology and State as one world view will always be promoted over another; Nobody's neutral.


1. Since nobody is morally neutr
al there should be no public schools. (Unless of course the government is prepared to provide and fully fund Islamic, Christian, Hindu (etc) schools so that they cater to all students. But even that would be seriously flawed as whoever controls the purse strings controls the curriculum. Note the problems the Church had in France when their government started paying priests. The Church merely became a tool of the government.)


2. The government shall not interfere with the curriculum but it should set some exams for subjects which are hard for the government to manipulate (e.g. The government would not set exams for history, the social sciences or philosophy. The government could set exams for grammar and maths in year 3, 7, and for physics, chemistry etc in years 10 and 12). The government would also hold those exams (for all schools and universities) so that employers have a fixed standard by which to measure potential employees. The government does not have to set the curriculum to ensure that a student gets taught particular things, setting some of the exams will be enough. (Obviously those who set the exams will refer to particular texts, and so teachers will have to refer their students to those texts. The difference between this and the present public system is teachers will have greater freedom in what they teach on some subjects and complete freedom on others).

3. The government will have the power to close a school if the school encouraged it's students to use violence against others.

4. The government will enforce laws to protect students (e.g. against sexual abuse). 

5. Governments shall not determine who a school employees. Schools are free to choose or reject any teacher on the basis of their beliefs and values. (e.g. If a Muslim school rejects a Hindu teacher because she holds different values to them, that is the schools business and nobody else's. Every organisation, including universities, has selection criteria which discriminates against those who fall outside that criteria. Even clubs discriminate against those who wear thongs on their feet.)

6. Government's shall provide no funding for schools but may provide some assistance for students to ensure they get some education in the earlier grades. (As long as no favouritism was shown. Listen to Affirmative Action by Dr Michael Bauman.)


In Australia approx 25% of students attend a private school (2006). If public schools were slowly fazed out private schools could easily cope with the demands of education. Whoever provided the best education at the cheapest rate would quickly begin to have a powerful influence on the society in which they lived. (If the government was worried that some would not receive an education it only has to ensure, by law, that all students have to attend school till a particular grade. If a parent was unemployed the government could assist by paying for a child's education till year three. If a parent has any sort of income the law could stipulate that a percentage be taken for the purpose of their children's education. Obviously, in poorer countries the government simply is not able to do this. In those countries missionary organisations would continue to play the part they are already playing.)

  

Which ever world view promotes the greatest care for others will be the one that will eventually exert the most influence in a society where there is little government interference.  Virtue will be encouraged without the government spending a cent.

 

Isn't that the way we want it to be?

 

We want those who care the most to have the greatest influence in our society whether they call themselves Atheists, Hindus, Muslims or Christians. When governments stop promoting one world view over others we will see who really does care the most. Rousseau's vision of enlightening the public will become a reality without government propaganda. A true separation of religion and state will then exist which will allow equal opportunity for all religious world views. When there is a true separation of religion and state the ideas of elite groups will not be promoted by tax payers money.*


As a Christian I believe that historically Christians have cared more for the oppressed and poor than atheists (Listen to The Crisis of Giving by Os Guinness and Christian Influence on Western Civilization by Michael Buratovich; see also 6 Modern Myths about Christianity & Western Civilization by Phillip Sampson, Christianity on Trial by Vincent Carroll and How Christianity Changed the World by Alvin J. Schmidt.). If I am wrong and atheists have cared more for others then atheism would rightly become the dominant influence when there is a true separation of religion and state.

Naturally the transition to a true separation of religion (or ideology) and government would have to be done slowly. Government funding to the media would have to go first. Non-government organisations who help the poor, disadvantaged (etc) would have to be assessed and if it was determined that they have been doing a lot to help people but could do much more, then they would be eligible to receive government aid to support and expand their work.

Those who reject a true separation of ideology and state think that their beliefs are the right ones and it is their beliefs which should be promoted by the government. Those who reject a true separation of ideology and state are elitists who like to use other people's money (in the form of taxes) to achieve their own goals.

A true separation of ideology and state will slowly be achieved "if" when we make decisions regarding education etc , those decisions reflect a step toward the vision above and not from it. If an idea regarding the media etc seems like a good idea but is a step away from the vision above, then it is not such a good idea.

Why a separation of ideology and state is necessary.

See also Ideology and State



 



Footnotes:

3 important points regarding wages.

1. Workers must not be paid more than the market can bear. For example, if cotton chippers or fruit pickers were paid the same hourly rate as tradesmen farmers would go broke, the industry would collapse and with it the economy; thereby increasing unemployment. However, when the market can bear it--in other words, people won't lose their jobs--then 35 hours work a week for an unskilled worker should be enough to feed, clothe and house a family of five.

2. Beyond 35 hours work a week overtime should be paid (this will ensure that more people enter the workforce) and all workers, no matter what their skill level, must be protected by workplace health and safety legislation.

3. The government must be serious about addressing profiteering. For example, when the combined wages of all workers in a business is $100, 000 a day and the business owner or share holders in a company receive one million dollars a day (or more) something is clearly wrong (especially when those workers are struggling to make ends meet). It is neither fair to the workers who produced the goods or provided the service and it is not fair to the consumer. (It is also an unnecessary cause of inflation.) Jesus was right, "The love of money is the root of all evil."


Further reading:

The Tragedy of American Compassion by Marvin Olasky; The Crisis of Giving and Volunteering and Doing Well and Doing Good: Money, Caring, and Giving in a Free Society by Os Guinness; Dangerous Samaritans: How we unintentionally injure the poor by Dr Michael Bauman (One of the things Bauman discusses is the effect of minimum wages on employment levels for the unskilled), The Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard.

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A note on the Stock Exchange.


It might be worth considering the evils of the stock exchange (and there are many). E.g. Companies often abuse the disadvantaged, particularly in poor countries. This is hard to stop because share holders dare not take a company they hold shares in to court because they risk devaluing their shares and losing their money. And it is difficult for those outside the company to take it on because some of those share holders are lawyers etc; they have a vested interest.

But doesn't the stock exchange do some good things? Obviously large amounts of money need to be raised for some projects and the stock exchange performs that task. But couldn't that money be raised some other way? A loans exchange could take the place of the stock exchange. 

A loans exchange sounds like a pipe dream; it certainly would not happen quickly. But is it possible? Yes. (It seems to me that intelligent committed people would have to work at it for 50 to 100 years before it could become a reality. It would be as difficult as Wilberforce abolishing the slave trade but guess what? He did it.)

The stock exchange works because it is attractive to investors. The loans exchange would also be attractive (especially if the stock exchange did not exist) with one important difference, those who make loans cannot lose their money. The loans exchange would be a more honest system where anyone can loan money to an individual or business partnership but that business would have to pay a 2% insurance to the loans exchange on all money received, so if they go broke all investors get their money back. (Note: Investors would be free to take the business they loaned money to to court because they now know it is safe to do so. This would improve ethics in business, particularly big business.) The person who made the loan would receive a fixed rate of interest on their loan on top of what ever inflation is for that period.

Note: 1.
Owners would not be permitted to invest in their own business through the loans exchange. 2. A third party could buy the loan by repaying the investor their money (no more and no less) there by taking on the investment.

So what would this achieve?

1. Large sums of money could still be raised.

2. Those who invest through the loans exchange could not lose their money.

3. It would encourage businesses to act more responsibly.

4. The loans exchange will be more stable than the stock exchange.

5. It would encourage more responsible investing.

6. Money will be made through the loans exchange but no fortunes could be made.

7. Those in poorer countries will no longer be abused because of the stock exchange.





* To use someone's money to try and shape their beliefs about moral issues (without their permission) is immoral in principle. If you think it is important that people do not have interests in particular things, use your money to do it, not their money in the form of taxes.

























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